There havent been Learn and Compare Challenges for a while but finaly;

Here is the Tune for the 4th Learn and Compare Challenge: Its is "GreenSleeves"
Its a beautifull English Traditional and its not hard to learn.
Give it a try. It sureley will be fun.

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About the Tune Greensleeves:

* The Tune Greensleeves is an old English traditional Song.

* The Melody of "Greensleeves" was used also with several Alternative lyrics and one famous version of this tune is well known as a Christmas song called "What Child is this"

* Listen to the Melody of Greensleeves - What Child is this, at wikipedia

Recources of more Information, Notation and more:

*"Dots and Tabs"; notation source if one need or want one:
the C&F Member "Wanderer" has a nice website with notation for many tunes, you can find greensleeves there too, its an easy playing version, no half-holing needed, just be aware of the C naturals

* Lyrics: The 2 different lyrics on Wikisource

* More About: Greensleeves on Wikipedia

* PLaylist: in the My Music Community net Youtube Channel, you will find the Playlist with many Greensleeves Versions:
its many vidoes and the playlist still grows
... or you can watch the videos right here below (check - its more then one video, they run one after the other)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVwYQvHucq7iWwNKBoo4ALuNJM3aqDevU

If you do have more informations, please share them, different notations, examples, whatever ....
All usefull information will be colected and added into this (top) posting.

And last but not least add your recordings of this tune to this thread.
Have fun and learn well.

Untill now our challenges have been only for whistling but we should change that and everybody should feel free enough to learn, record and share it played on another Instrument.

• Whistle version
• piano version

[*]Greensleeves on Penny Whistle (Waltons brass D) by the German Whistler

Wow you are faster than fast, now a pianoversion too 🙂 Great!
I will listen to it later and come back with feedback for both versions,
i am working on my own recording, well i have to practise a bit more before recording 🙂

Most times there are many interesting things to know about a tune/song.
I like to google for informations about the tunes i like to listen to and/or learn to play.
Most times just a look to wikipedia is quite interesting.
Soon i will moove the "Greensleeves Playlist" to the My Music Community Youtube chanel - there you can hear the song in many different versions. Untill then you can find it in my private youtube chanell

@ kmarty
Hey ho Martin, i just took some time and did listen to your whistle recording some times
as far as i can hear, you used the same notation as i do, did you use the one i did send to you?

you said "I don't like this version, but I can't make a good half holed G#
what do you mean? what and why you dont like it?
would you like to play it in a didfferent key? is it that? so take another whistle and you still are finbe with the easy fingering of this version

i do, most times i play it on a c whistle but with the fingering for the d whistle
as far as i can say, your rhyhtm is ok, but i am not very good in that
i have to say that i didnt play from notation for long just used my "scrappapers" and there is no rhythm notated 😉
for me it feels like the tune makes me feel the rhythmn just by itself ... cant describe it but its just therE
but maybe i did listen to it so often
did you try to listen to the playlist? its always a nice way to get a tune, and the rhythm into your head i belive

i work like this often, i should use propper notation and a metronome; i know but i just listen a lot and "play around" as i feel, ... and its fun but of course it does not take me that quick so far
anyway you are a fast learner and i am slow, my way doesent seem to be the best 😉
maybe a combination would fit us both better?

i like the sound of your whistle, but even if i am a fan of "echo" and "reverb" thats to much for me and does not sound natural in your recording - how did you make it? audacity?

the pitch? well i think i know why i like to play it an a c whistle 😉

anyway well done, and to me it sound accurate but i am sure you could play it better with more practise

about the piano, i know nearly nothing about pianos
well there is a nice part and a not nice part
the melody you play nice but there are from time to time ...whats that, chords? like the second note directly,....its Bam....bam....bam... and it doesnt sound nice and so mechanic to me

are you good in piano? why not try to play it (with some more notes - if you understand what i mean) and more like a background and than add the whistle on top?

if i could, i would love to play it on guitar and use the whistle to take the voice part of a song, .... but i am not good enough on the guitar yet
maybe thats a reason why i practise so much guitar and so little whistle in the last time because id love to do that with all tunes 😉
anyway, you can play it on the piano better than me on the guitar and you have my respect

so much from me for now, hope you will get more feedback soon (we need more active people ;-))

you said "I don't like this version, but I can't make a good half holed G#
what do you mean? what and why you dont like it?
would you like to play it in a didfferent key? is it that? so take another whistle and you still are finbe with the easy fingering of this version

It won't help, I think. The version I know is the version which I tried to play on piano.

Rhythm: I hear my out-of-rhythm everytime I hear my recording. Unfortunately almost never when I play.

Reverb: I don't know, but I felt that this tune deserves more reverb than I usually use. Probably bad idea.
Yes, reverb is added using Audacity (like in anything I recorded last four months).
Here is one of previous recording where reverb is not so big:
https://soundcloud.com/kmartycz/greensleeves-2nd/s-VLXl4
(Same whistle, different ... "key"(?), used half-holed D# and some compromise because some notes are missing - lowest tone is "D", of course 🙂 )

Piano: I told you that this is not for challenge :-). It sounds weird due to more things:

• This keyboard has broken ...dynamika úhozu... on keyboard it is named as "Touch Response" or so. So I disabled it and it results that all keys sounds at the same volume regardless of how strong you touched the keys. It makes all chords/tones too hard than it should be.
• I don't have sustain pedal (another thing is that I'm not sure if I'll be able to use it 🙂 )
• I'm not good at playing on piano :-). I usually play (if I play) just right hand parts. This point is probably a big reason why is sounds so mechanic

The piano version I recorded just as a fun, like the video where I'm trying to play on whistle like on flute :-).

The biggest rhythm mistake here is that I started B part too early

I like Greensleeves, but ... I always heard the "modern" version (where is two notes flattened or so) and maybe that's the reason why the "classic" version sounds me ... strange. I have feeling like I'm crippling this beatiful tune/song.

Are you sure you were not a tradesman? 😀

Just that your ... ehm ... persistence(?) is very similar 🙂

Oh no. I probably was wrong to express* - IF I didn't like and didn't enjoy it as you probably think, I would not play it nor record it.

*) My english is simply not good enough. I often trying to simplify what I want to say, just because I don't know how to say.

Well, it took me a long time, but finaly, I did record my (or a) version of Greensleeves (aka what child is this)

It has some few little mistakes (i am sure you can hear them) in it, but I think its ok. Ist it?
Specialy because it was my first take!
Or i better say, the 4th try on the first take (or 5th?) Listen yourself,:
Outtakes well in fact this is the whole take.
I did play untill I liked it and than just had to take another recording for the talking (cause i never did that right), mixed it, and added some echo to the whistle (you know I like that) and here is:
Greensleeves on Penny Whistle (Waltons brass D) by the German Whistler

PLease be critical and let me know what you think.
I noticed that my whistling skills didnt develeop much or maybe even did decrese again cause i didnt practise a lot for many month ... what do you think?

Id like to say more about it, the tune, why I play it that way, but not now …

dont worry, you are, and also your critique, is very welcome, i only can learn from other points of view
i also belive that some beginners can remember some things better than some advanced people 😉
and, more important, music isnt made for professionals , its made for everybody so everybody has a value opinion
.... so dont worry, i am glad that you took the time to think and write about it, thats why we do this here, dont we?

well breathing, 😉 one of my problems, you are right!
yes i should breath faster in and more steady out i guess, i should and will work on that, i play to little since i started guitar again

but i have to say about my breathing, that, part of my sickness, you know that i am quite sick for a long tiome already, is because of breathing, i even had an operation because of it and maybe need one more 🙁
i have such hard problems breathing that i even make (loud) noise when breath ( i tried not to make it on the recording)
it was better after i had lost 30 kilo but after changing medication i added 25 again and right now, i am always short on air

BUT not all my whistling problems are because of that, but maybe the whistle isnt even right for me but maybe it helps me train my lungs 😉
i want and should be able to handle this somehow, i have to work on it

anyway, when i did listen to my recdording i noticet, that i like the way i play but that some tones are not steady .... and that sound like very unaccurate, is it that what you mean?

about the rhythmn, the delay is not by accident
i did learn this tune since january (yes i am slow), and at least did think a lot about how to play it and the nicest versions i heard were sang songs, so i took the freedom not to take care of the rhythmn that much and make breaks where i would when singing
maybe thats ok, maybe bad, i dont know

But if it sounds bad to you, thats one point of view i should consider and hope i will get more
i do know that i hate or really never did play with metronom, always just by feeling, for a dance tune i would have to try to be accurate but for songs?

about the fingeringproblems, are there parts where you hear that i had those? i dont understand

so ... i realy should work on the tune much more, maybe i did think to much about how to play it and practise to little 😉 but i wanted finaly get a recording online ...another one will follow, i am sure

hehe thats one reason why it took me so long, i always want to be able to play without the need of notation, so from memory

anyway, i still dont ornament much, nearly never
and many times i prefere tunes without ornemntation
also this tune i wouldnd play with ornaments myself
but i like to listen to your version

well done for such a short time!
hope you like the tune and will continue to work on it?

If the breaks are timed to fit into the tempo then I see no problem. Constant tempo/timing is something to strive to achieve and something I am always aware of even If I don't have perfect timing 😀

Quote from Andreas the German Whistler on July 23, 2013, 15:53i started to practice with a metronom now,(sometimes) but its hard for me

I understand you, I tried to play with metronom once ... and it was insane :-).
So I don't use it. Maybe it's bad idea, I don't know. My wife often telling me that I'm slipping out of rhythm. And I know that :-). Unfortunatelly I often find it after playing (and listening recordings), not when I play.

Didn't play anything with 3/4 yet, I think.
But if it helps, at 6/8, 9/8 and 12/8 I use both states of foot in tapping (foot down & foot up, both as "tap"). It works for me (I hope 🙂 ).

(Oh, this will be hard to say in english for me).

Andreas, I mentioned just unexpected pauses and of rhythm fingering which looked like slow breathing and fingering and which probably wasn't intention. I can be mistaken, of course.
I'm not music professional and never had any lessons about music theory, but I think that interpretation (own version and/or rhythm) doesn't break what's expected and when it is expected once you are immersed in music flow as listener. Good example is this interpretation of Greensleeves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4rvcZMY37I
But it may be my another big mistake 🙂

There are many things I can't say/write in czech neither in english.
For example my recording - I'm not satisfied with it because something is missing. I can't say exactly what but overall it doesn't make me the right feeling.
How can I describe your recording if I can't describe what is wrong in my own recording :-).

HI guys ... I've listened to the 3 tunes posted so far ... great job all of you. I read the comments first befor listening and I was all set up for some sort of disaster Andreas!! It was not so.
I see your reasoning on the breaks but to me the breaks sound too long. You are losing the flow to my ears.
kmarty ... nice simple version of the tune well played.
Whistler ... I like the oramentation you've added and an interesting version of the song. Some of which was really interesting and some bits which I didn't particularly like.
I think I'll try and shoot for something in between kmarty's and whistler's versions.